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From: Mark Himsley <mdsh@cix.compulink.co.uk>
From: walra <@nl.net (Waldi Ravens):walra@moacs11>
From: Vincent.Lefevre@lip.ens-lyon.fr
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 94 17:42 BST-1
From: Mark Himsley <mdsh@cix.compulink.co.uk>
Subject: 20/06/94
To: gem-list@world.std.com
Message-Id: <memo.456084@cix.compulink.co.uk>
Precedence: bulk
From: walra <@nl.net (Waldi Ravens):walra@moacs11>
>MH> but why do * + - 0 HAVE to be the numpad keys, why not use the
>MH> normal * + - 0 and just check for the ascii value?
>
>All non-alphanumeric shortcuts are more or less ambiguous. Ctrl-+ is
>simply Ctrl-+ on a German keyboard, but it involves pressing the shift
>key on a UK keyboard (Shift-Ctrl-=).
I am sure that users of UK Ataris know that + is shift =, so ^+ == shift^=
>It gets worse for chars which are
>only available through an alt- combination. At least shortcuts requiring
>ctrl-alt- for some keyboard layout should not be in the guidelines IMO.
Agreed.
>In the case of * + - 0 it shouldn't be a problem to accept the normal
>keys as well as the numpad equivalents.
I'm sure that accepting * + - 0 from both numpad and keyboard will please
lots of ST, Falcon and ST-BOOK users.
>However, the current proposal
>does make the distinction between numpad and normal keys.
I realy don't see why. The only key that should work diffrently on the
numpad is Enter, as it does not appear elseware on the keyboard.
From: Vincent.Lefevre@lip.ens-lyon.fr
>Rainer Riedl:
>----------------
>There was only one response on my ^I -> ^? suggestion. Good? Bad?
>----------------
>I suggest:
>CTRL-I - info on the text/object
>CTRL-? - info on the application
Well _I_ like this.
>----------------
>I dislike the big-cursor system, and I am not the only one who
>dislikes this system.
I dislike it too.
>Timothy Miller:
>----------------
>And the shortcuts file will also allow people to deviate so far from the
>standard that the standard becomes a moot point.
>----------------
>We'll have a default shortcut file.
>----------------
I think we should make the standard so good that no-one will want to have a
shortcut file.
>----------------
>I don't like your idea of using a capital or lower-case letter for
>shift. I like the up-arrow because it makes it obvious what needs to be
>pressed.
>----------------
>I agree.
So do I. PLEASE can we keep ^, up arrow and window-fuller
>How about REOPEN ? (like with Zip, on X)
Yes, reOPEN realy tells the user exactly what is going to happen, in the
same vain as 'save' and 'save as...'
Mark H.
mdsh@cix.compulink.co.uk